Perhaps you propose a fine be imposed? You know, the earthquakes, the rolling blackouts, the heat, etc. This poor woman living in Tokyo had been through too much recently. Her mom went crazy, started shoutingfortunately she stopped her, grabbed her hand and took her away. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. and even "Didnt he/she love me enough to try and get better/help themselves" can drive people to their own dark place. At those speeds there's going to be a mess. . Join the leaders of English Education for Children in Japan! I did not say her actions are good and i do sympathise with others effected by her actions.If anyone critcises are suggest she should have done something else, stop now. On Monday afternoon, a woman in her 20s, whose name has not yet been released, died when she was struck by Amtrak Train 93, according to rail officials. Still, I was always somehow conscious of the fact that there are better options. It seems like it is getting worse. At 3:17 p.m., at the Broadway and West 96th Street subway station, an unidentified woman jumped in front of a southbound 3 train in an apparent suicide, an NYPD spokesperson told WSR. New Delhi: A woman jumped in front of the Delhi Metro train at Model Town Metro station on Saturday and committed suicide. The identity of the woman is unknown at this time. Perhaps this is too 'clean' or 'romantic'. TOKYO. I wish they talk to me. Reports suggested that the woman was accused in a case. She was, probably as a result of her morbidly depressed state of mind thinking and acting selfishly, ie without thought of others. JapanToday She may have lost everything. Another example of what happens when emotions are pent up through the pressure of life in Japan. She was seen wrapped in a poncho walking hand-in-hand with daughter Melsadie, who was wearing alittle furry parker jacket with a winter hat and gloves, at the station one hour and 12 minutes before their deaths. I applaud the sheer ingenuity of this theory! The posts that are concerned about the effect on others (the people who were injured, the people who had to witness what happened, the families that have to cope with the aftermath, etc - No, I don't think expressing concern for those people is selfish. The only selfish people are those who criticised this poor woman.Please show her and her family some respect. She may simply have chosen this route because of her belief that it would both end her suffering and take the burden of supporting her away from society and/or whatever family she had. Mr Wade said: 'Melsadie is pretty well behaved. ( ) A. left B. arrived C. went D. returned. I'm tired of having traffic backed up when they jump off of a bridge, delays when they go in front of a train, and bystanders being endangered when they want a cop to off them. British Summer Time begins in March but do you wind your watch forward Britain braces for brutal -9C Arctic snap: Met Office warns more snow and ice could lash the country next Could Northern Ireland become the UK's Silicon Valley? Detective Sergeant Simon Rees told the inquest that a financial investigator had examined Ms Redmonds circumstances prior to her death. Bereaving families are not only stuck with a funeral, but a huge bill for the suicide. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. You apparently simply cannot empathize with someone who has stopped thinking rationally. Japan ultimately used her flying corpse as a projectile with which to smash through a shop door with the sole intention of injuring and traumatizing four people inside the store. "I have been late 3 times this month because someone thought to throw themselves in front of a train.". Her movements around the station, going from one side of the station to the other, going down to the station and back up, was an unusual pattern of behaviour. When the temperature gets hotter,many people do strange things they would not have done in a normal situation. Cleo - would you agree that the definition of selfish could also be applied to the people here who are lacking in consideration for someone who was pushed to the ultimate extreme of taking her own life? We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Try thinking how damaged the person is to consider ending their life, not an easy thing to do. I think I'd be sick to my stomach if I witnessed that. I dont believe that the people who saw what happened really have registered in their minds what they saw. In this case I'd bet she didnt want anything more than what she got. I saw this on the news this morning, and it was truly horrible. If anything, it was cowardice more than selfishness. Then, it sort of happened to me as well as I was waiting for Keio line - a girl and her mom were sitting on the bench and as the train approached the girl tried to jump. I also very much doubt that she was in any kind of logical state of mind when she did this. I find it hard to believe no one witnessed it, as even the train conductor or people looking out from the front of the train would have seen the impact. Northbound 3 trains are running local from Times Square-42nd Street to 96th Street. A bullied teen's last tweet revealed her despair from relentless teasing two days before she jumped in front of a train in New York City. I'm sure she didn't mean to be knocked back onto the platform when she jumped. The incident occurred as the train was pulling into the Lorimer Street station around 7:42 p.m., according to. ( ) A. for B. in C. during D. since. Just another day in Japan. There are times when the person is such a low point that death seems the only option. 13, 2011 - 05:52PM JST Somehow she wasn't up to speed, couldn't get with the program. (Just read today's article about women running into problems with loan companies. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. 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It is thinking like that that results in Japan having such a pathetic mental health system, and mental illness still having such a stigma here. NDTV delivers reliable information across all platforms: TV, Internet and Mobile.Subscribe for more videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/ndtv?sub_confirmation=1Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ndtvFollow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ndtvDownload the NDTV Apps: http://www.ndtv.com/page/appsWatch more videos: https://khabar.ndtv.com/videos?yt Just two days after her eldest son's 10th birthday, the mother-of-two kissed her children goodbye as they went to school and she walked to Slough railway station, the coroner heard on Thursday. I hope people here look around with a bit more empathy; remember your own humanity, and reach out. I am even more glad like i choose to work from home, never socialse anymore and just be with those who matter. A few reasons, I would imagine, although of course I'm also at a loss as to why people feel the need to off themselves. tired of the traffic backed up from suicides? Stressful start to National Offer Day? A heavily pregnant mother-of-two jumped in front of a high speed train after discovering her unborn baby girl could have a facial deformity, a coroner heard. And then, once they are gone, the constant wondering of "Could I have done more?" What annoys me that this government ignores this problem like so many others, bullying, shody reactors and so on. I doubt if she needs any now. Going to the top of the building could set off certain alarm bells, so to speak, and someone might notify the authorities or someone else and the person might be talked down. I think I'd be sick to my stomach if I witnessed that. 2023 GPlusMedia Inc. Police said Wednesday that a woman jumped from a platform into the path of an express train in Tokyo's Katsushika Ward on Tuesday morning, killing herself and injuring four bystanders. Sign up for free Patch newsletters and alerts. If anything, Government action should be to reach out to the weak to remind them they are loved. That's truly sad. Steve: you make some excellent points about the ones left behind. However, it doesn't excuse what I feel is an overwhelming atmosphere herein - that people are criticizing that woman for not thinking about the aftermath of her suicide. Compassion is free. It's too bad someone chose to end their life in such a way to so traumatize others. Ppl who experienced this will be traumatised. According to investigators, her body was hit by the front car and then propelled five meters, through the glass door of a station shop that was situated on the platform. www.ndtv.com. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to I was trying to get rid of her sadness.'. , updated When you are in a state of mind that jumping in front of a train is the best solution to your problems, you are in a very dark place indeed, and rational thought would be a struggle I'm guessing. i pity those who commit suicide though it may be selfish to others but yeah, they are not in a sound mind to think about that. The identity of the woman is unknown at this time. Ms Redmond then brought Melsadie back over the gate to the public area of the platform, before returning up the stairs to the bridge over the platforms. A Long Island Railroad train bound for Rockaway Beach was gliding into the East New York Station at Atlantic Avenue and Manhattan Crossing about 5 o'clock yesterday afternoon when the. Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse the fact that Japan is in dire need of social support services, anywhere from distress centers for abused women or victims of rape to trauma counselling and psychiatric treatment. Have some compassion for the victims here. Powerful Commons committee could look at case for banning stoves in towns and Bird flu HAS mutated to infect people: Fresh pandemic fears as scientists on ground zero in Cambodia find China hits back at FBI claim that Wuhan lab leak likely caused global COVID outbreak - still no consensus Morbidly obese girl who died during lockdown begged her mother to clean her 'leaking legs' in Psychiatrist: What most women don't know about their hormones - and why you start drinking and smoking more Shamima Begum and other British women who joined Islamic State and are being held in Syria will 'ultimately' Don't just stick to the Malbec! 25/10/2022. Parents as well as educational institutions have a responsibility for the wellfare of their youth, not just their grades. And even in death she's seen as a big fail by some here. 'I noticed a woman in a white jacket back away and start running across the platform.'. Another deluded individual. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. July 13, 2011 05:00 pm JST. Felicia Garcia, 15, was reportedly tormented by her peers at Tottenville High School, who teased her about sexual encounters with football players, police sources told the New York Daily News. This was perhaps because, in the back of my mind, I always knew help and support were available. To those who have lost a loved one to suicide, me included, compassion is needed. Police say although there were no eyewitnesses to the incident, the events were captured by a station security camera. No. They were sick. Expect delays on 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 trains. We should never condemn the mentally ill this way because it causes trouble to passengers etc. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. theres Thousands of Japanese who "dont fit into society" & they are fine with it & Don't care. She had to have felt some pain there. Furious motorist is fined 650 after council worker paints disabled bay around his parked car. . I had a good friend kill themselves when I was young and a family member threaten to me to do so (while in the hospital, dying). Our DIY expert, Beth Allen, founder of HIP Chicks (Home Improvement Project Chicks), knows which tools you need to take on big projects by yourself. Of course if professionals could have reached this person first the outcome may have been different. As for the deceased person, as we do not know anything about her, it is a little early to judge her motives. The Japan you do not see everyday up there in the mountains is incredibly stressful. A very great part of the problem though, is that people simply withdraw, something very easy to do in society nowadays. The service is available 24 hours a day for people who are experiencing feelings of distress or despair, including those which may lead to suicide. Not one of you seem to consider that maybe this woman had fallen into depression due to the current situation caused by TEPCO or the Earthquake / Tsunami. ". It seems some people don't understand the meaning of the word 'selfish': lacking consideration for others. Call the Samaritans on 116 123 or email them atjo@samaritans.org. Many here seem to think that suicide is a matter of choice as is the means to commit the act. Shortly afterwards, Ms Redmond and Melsadie were seen to enter Taplow stationand the pair remained at the station for around 20 minutes. Zdenka kept her third pregnancy a secret from her husband for five months, the coroner heard. With a train you just stand on the platform and make that sudden, crucial decision to step or jump forward without anyone having the chance to stop you (unless you WANT to be stopped). Several witnesses told police they saw the woman jump from the edge of the platform and get hit by the train around 5:20 p.m., an NYPD spokeswoman said. I am absolutely amazed how many people on this message board knew the deceased person. 3) While they are probably aware they will cause major inconvenience to the company and other passengers, and worse (as is the case here with the people hit by her body), they know they will be seen and found. Please report any comments that break our rules. Imagine being the train driver or his family after his shift; imagine being the poor JR staff who had to look at body parts stewn across the station; imagine being the passengers and emergency workers on the scene. Let us support getting your first car loan here in Japan. Somehow she didn't fit in to it. 'Had police been observing her, they would have approached her because of her behaviour.'. Northbound 1 and 3 trains are bypassing 72nd Street. I bet that's exactly what she wanted. . A mess, yes. 'Usually when she had an episode, the signs were lack of sleep, lack of appetite and being angry but she was normal before and after the incident,' husband Jude said at the inquest into her death on Thursday. more than 34000 people kill themself in Japan every year, that is horrible! The court heard Ms Redmond had a bill from her electricity supplier of 334 outstanding, a bill from her gas supplier of 638 and she was in rent arrears of 1499.37. "There was no criminal activity. The inquest heard that a member of the public who was walking down the stairs briefly paused to look at Ms Redmond, but then moved on. . True, suicide is seen as selfish in many parts of the world, but most of those who think this (even myself sometimes) cannot even begin to understand what makes a person contemplate let alone choose such a route. it has NOTHING to do with it. A 28-year-old woman jumped in front of an approaching train at the Metro Rail Transit (MRT) Shaw Boulevard station in Mandaluyong City before noon yesterday. Make it "trendy"??! Calls are free and confidential. cleo - although I understand what you're trying to say I think you're missing the point that some people are just not in that state of mind to 'stop and think'. We should sop thinking so much about ourselves, ok we are late for work, but a fellow human has died, their shoudl be pity for the deceased and their family not bitterness and anger.Humanity needs a lot of improvement. I am not trying to be rude but making statements like "taking it out on others" is ridiculous. 7 train at the 40th Street-Lowery Street station in Sunnyside around 4:15 a.m., cops said. A woman along with her four-year-old daughter allegedly jumped in front of a goods train following a dispute in the family near Meva Nawada railway station of Sahaspur, police said on Saturday. On January 2 2018, the couple went to the Royal Berkshire Hospital for a baby scan where they were told the infant was 'small' and may have a facial deformity. I agree with steve@CPFC, there is no point trying to criticize this person. Instead of complaining about a few delays to your business i would advise learning a bit about what goes through peoples minds at this time.the fact that someone would actually go through with the act says a lot. Chiyoda-ku It's going to get worse before it gets better. Very useful skills indeed! - Just nuts man!!! Plus, in Japanese society, past and present, there is NO stigmata on suicide. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please She needed help, and should have had easy access to it -- no one debates that. Key Highlights. There are many many reasons for that, from mental illness to terminal illness to simple congenital self-centredness; but with the possible exception of the terminally ill, it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem that leaves far too much mess for those left behind to have to clean up. Loan compamies that are often yakuza-backed and will hound someone no end.) Personal Assistant for Older New Yorkers in Manhattan, Holy Uproar After Adams Decries Separation Of Church And State, 'People Will Die': FDNY Fire Chiefs Argue Demotions Endanger Public, Winter Storm Dumps Nearly 6 Inches Of Snow Over Parts Of NYC. She was taken to Mount Sinai West, where she was pronounced dead. What if she was from Fukushima or near the area? And quite frankly, here in Japan I have no idea at all how you would go about it. A woman is clinging to life after she jumped in front of a Midtown Manhattan train during the morning rush Friday, cops said. But she couldn't be part of that society, could she? According to police, the woman, Premalatha of Senthil Nagar in Urapakkam, had quarrelled . cleo - You're right. By doing so, you will also receive an email inviting you to receive our news alerts. Another sad and quiet tragedy unfolds. Northbound 3 trains are running on the 5 line from Nevins Street to 149th Street-Grand Concourse. DS Rees confirmed that such an arrangement had been agreed, before taking the hearing through the hours leading up to Ms Redmond's death. The eight-months pregnant woman bought herself a ticket before running across the platform and jumping in front of a non-stop intercity train which sped through the station at 115mph - instantly killing her. There are hundreds of ways you can kill yourself without involving the public. It's a shame that because of her actions others were hurt, and with the Japanese being as they are, I doubt as well that others were traumatized by this woman's actions as well. 2-8-16 Higashi-Kanda The loco pilot managed to stop the train and both of them escaped with injuries. EXCLUSIVE - Revealed: Carol Kirkwood's secret toyboy fianc - 13 years her junior - is a divorced police 'Digital antidepressants' to be rolled out on the NHS as health bosses give eight apps and web-based therapy Do not sell or share my personal information. There was no criminality. 0 Comment. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Nexstar Media Inc. All rights reserved. Mr Wade said: 'The next thing she appears to do, she does when no member of the public is in her immediate vicinity. Suicide is complex, but without a doubt, there needs to be FAR more done here for mental illness. At 6.30am, at which time Melsadie was with her father Leroy Parris, Ms Redmond had checked her bank balance at a garage. Obviously you've never dealt with that and I sincerely hope you will never have to, but you gotta try to imagine that there are worlds out there different from yours. The investigation into the woman's death is still ongoing, police told Patch. I think it is wrong and low class to criticise someone who found that this was the best thing for them. The MTA confirmed that somebody was hit at the station and that 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 train service was affected by the ensuing emergency response. She took care.'. She died at the scene. I have no doubt some do it for the attention, and others are afraid if they did it somewhere privately they might not be found (right away, if not for a long time). Just weeks before her tragic railway death, the family of four had returned to their flat in Merton Road, Slough, Berks., following a 'wonderful' Christmas spent with friends in Manchester and Scotland. Then again, she may not have been depressed at all. A young mother who was behind on her rent and bills gathered her three-year-old daughter in her arms and jumped in front of a train, an inquest has heard. herefornow - Taking time to put one's affairs in order first and considering how to end it all without harming others are both ways for the suicidal person to put their problems in perspective, see things in a different light and at the very least give themselves a chance to rethink what they're about to do. Your lack of compassion for someone who is obviously driven to the end of her wits psychologically for reasons none of us is privy to is staggering. The lives that are always involved, the innocent people that have to suffer because the person wants to go out in style. Many would feel they are losing face by going to a counsellor, that that's a sign of weakness. A mix of what's trending on our other sites, Japan reports 13,950 new coronavirus cases, 1st foreign cruise ship in 3 years arrives in Japan, Japan births hit all-time low in 2022; below 800,000 for 1st time, 'Paper City': The untold story of the firebombing of Tokyo in World War II, Putin orders Ukraine border tightening as drones hit Russia, Japanese Americans who won redress, now fight for Black reparations, Musk accuses media of racism after newspapers drop 'Dilbert' cartoon. Most of us are simply turned off or revulsed and have enough problems on our plate everyday without having to come up with extra strength to help others, expecially those with desperately deep needs. Thank You. 'She had to be admitted to hospital two weeks after we came home,' said the husband. 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