I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way maybe they never really had them. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. Nothing more. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. Jesus takes care of the harvest. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. But she was trying to equate her comraderly relationship with Ortberg the same as women who have come forward concerning hybels Behavior. But long ago, I realized that these situations are not made up of clear white/black hats. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. @ Bea: As Bill Hybels learned, there's far more to romantic love than meets the eye. @ jackie: As for the hug thing, & why didnt Nancy Ortberg say somethingwell, for a year or two now, my Christian neighbour, who Ive been friends with him & his wife for about 25 years, has been giving me lingering hugs, which end up with his hands resting on my lower back as often as he can when he drops into my house, hes made a few inappropriate comments about my breasts (they are a standing joke amongst me & my friends as Im a buxom lass), often tries to rub my shoulders as he knows I have shoulder issues& youre the first people Ive told. I get it bothers you. I knew all this stuff from my secular org development career but did not transfer it to the church setting right way. Look at the Stowell family leaving Harvest Bible Chapel as an example of a family who quietly left with dark secrets about a megachurch. Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Uh oh..then we are in trouble. I will keep the website updated. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. False teaching/theology always has a wrong view of God, man, sin, and salvation. I allowed links and discussion on Jodis open letter despite the fact that I found it insulting to true victims. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! he has no idea who well you know Scripture. And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: Menu. Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 . I cant deny I have been blessed by WC and the GLS. @ okrapod: Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. I really liked your comment. Nothing really bad happened. You were a vulnerable target (especially with children) Plus overtones of the old attorneys way to defend against a rape charge: Discredit the Victim making the accusation. If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. WITCHES! I think we have lived the same life. I am so very proud of her and with how hard this has been on everyone. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. Who would I tell? The man who assaulted me regularly made passes at women in public. toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. Willow Creek was promoted by Hybels as a model for all of christendom, Look at me, I have the answers. At times it became oppressive for those churches that were told to tear up their foundations and follow The Model. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . Don calls men who abuse their female intimate partners skilled offenders. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. This morning, Nancy Ortberg posted Flawed Process, Wounded Women on her website. The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? Fools a lot of people and so utterly against anything Christ said. The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. The church is doing fine. ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. On our travels last summer one of the high points for my husband was to attend Willow Creek Church. In the seeker world, it tends to mean numbers, programs, etc. The door was open. Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. . I am terribly concerned that there is game playing going on here by people who cannot accept that Bill Hybels has resigned and he did so believe there are problems that people cannot accept. Glory to God. William Hybels is an American author and church figure. We experience the aftermath to this day. In Christian theology, the Devil prefers deception and manipulation and the Long Con, NOT the Direct Frontal Attack you hear these days from Spiritual and Cultural Warriors. Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. So, let me challenge you, go back and rethink the *speck in the eye* verses. Why? !) called Give Me That Christian Side Hug went near-viral. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! Satan loves false dichotomies, republicans vs. democrats, Calvinists vs. Arminians, traditional vs. contemporary, etc. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. So thats why I was interested in this concept. They think theyve stopped it. You are just nailing it. Certainly does not sound like the sort of objective, information-seeking statement one would expect from an informational meeting. If/when he does come forward to confess and repent of past bad behavior, he and Willow Creek elders will no longer be viewed as honest and credible among the remaining members. to this, the source of detailed information about the 1,000+ unreadable emails and Bill Hybels policy of not having email messages archived and his explanation of why comes from the initial Chicago Tribune article. These things seem like nitpicking until you have more information. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. 40 years of it. However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. Know who you are. Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. You be the Mugu; I be the Master! And I go back to one of my earlier assertions about celebrity. Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. How does one explain it? @ Davis and Natasha: Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. This is VERY common. contact blue moon brewing company; among us ascii copypasta; pistons vs pacers injury report; you'll find the shame is like the pain; fervent crossword clue 6 letters Number of accusations (so far) How would I know. Yet, if this person is free to say what was done by J Ortberg and offer her (non-intimidated, threatened) perspective on it, how can she conflate that with others coming forward to offer a perspective on their experience? Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. *Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town.* (from the Nancy Ortberg post). At what point did Nancy inform her husband? It never ceases to amaze me that the Pew sitters continue on without ever demanding to see a detailed budget. Stop blaming women for getting assaulted. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? Just wondering??? I was prescribed ambien, and I was one of those affected in that way behaving strangely and not remembering it the next day. What is it about these minister and their hugs. And my guess is the elders dont know either. So, yes, Id vouch for his legitimacy. I am going to ask a hard question. On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. I believe God will welcome Bill into heaven with open arms for the positive work he has done. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. I do wonder what the men exchanging holy kisses in bible times did for their brains. Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. I dont know about anybody else, but when I see something bonkers like that I tend to leave it alone, @ Forrest: The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. Its not the victim. They need to do some reading. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. But the church's growth also took a professional and personal toll on Hybels, who had married his. But telling someone immediately might be crucial in the future. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) Thanks Dee. In a Facebook post shared over the weekend, a church member accused Dr. B. of kissing, fondling, and pressuring her with sex between 1984 and 1988. _____________________________________. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. 1 comment about arms Nor will Christians abandon their faith en masse over this. What happened to people? The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? Jesus takes care of the harvest. This one is so true. Good Lord! But then . Some people left, but our church has been transformed. What needs to be addressed is that this is not a matter of somehow eliminating the existence of random perverts, as if such a thing were possible. It would seem somewhat of a legal issue to go around wiping documents and videos, no? Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. @ Davis and Natasha: I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. When you read it, I think you might as well. He was the it guy on leadership in those circles for some reason. I am NOT AMUSED! Jodi may want to keep her resume refreshed. That is hard to deal with. Bill Hybels has stepped down from Chicago-area megachurch Willow Creek six months ahead of his planned retirement, in the wake of allegations of misconduct . I know. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. I have seen it for over 20 years. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Ok. I mean, most say they want the truth. This easy-to-follow guide for enjoying a happy, healthy, and lifelong relationship includes . Oh, absolutely. We are most certainly called to make judgements on actions. This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? Bill was born on March 1, 1948 to Dr. Joseph and Evelyn LaBarre. At what point will Heather Lawson realize that Willow Creek needs to over? I get it bothers you. @ truthseeker00: Though Lynne had intended to become a social worker, she did not hesitate to commit her life to church ministry, convinced that God has given the local church a clear mandate to address the needs of "the whole person in the whole world." And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. Cant people be sincere and caring without all that? This is exactly what I had in mind!? Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. Mary, I am going to assume that you have not been well taught on the subject of judgement. Who are the people our Creator said were His people?, Are you one of those Serpent Seed believers? Ultimately only Willow Creek congregants can decide the fate of their church sad state of affairs with millions of dollars at stake. Still not handled. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bills wife was made aware of the situation. My NPD/Sociopath brother once set up a long con against our stepmother, grooming ally after ally FOR SEVERAL YEARS in his TRVTH! If nothing else, it is incredibly prideful of a person. Read reviews from world's largest community for readers. It goes with safe spaces at college. I think thats where you get the people that say reports like this hurt the church. I definitely have pictures of my cat as a kid dressed up in doll clothes looking not super happy. Instead, we are the be faithful to our calling. He wanted to find out if she was still angry with him and what she would do about it if she was. Lydia, not sure if that is sarcasm or? Which God/god Bill ? Actually, those are the tools of the enemy, formerly called deception and it is THAT which God desires to rescue us from. Lynne Hybelsis the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois, This year in 2018, Billhas been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynnefounded, In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and grief on those at the havent forgotten. . She was still hoping that he had changed. Hybels problem seemed to be hotel rooms. I had the Willow Creek model thrust down on my church over 25 years ago. I developed this over the last 10 years in writing curriculum on addressing systemic abuse. Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. Nigerian pop song about a con man. So, I have having network issues, and a IT person is working on my computer. It took her 40 years(!) I looked it up and way down on the list it says rarely it might cause some to do things they dont remember. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. He just got knocked off his pedestal and some of his supporters are throwing up their hands in despair. I have been doing some background checking into this. Really? Brothers Dont Shake Hands, Brothers Gotta Hug. Tommy Boy, its definitely legit and very well written. And It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Without gossip and people looking out, anyone who has been hurt by church/leadership will simply be driven out, and the whole thing covered up. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Im not sure if Julie is a regular or not (I cant keep up), but a new Twitter account alerted me to that article as well, that is why I asked. If what he related is true (and I doubt it) there were bold ways to handle that to ensure a big message was sent and would have served EVERYONE better. Sometimes you have to look into the darkness in order to see that God is still present and at work. Sovereign Grace Ministries Mary, read your Bible carefully. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. 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